In this episode, we talk to Philip Simpson, one of the rockstar developers of the amazing Pocket Casts Android Application. We learn about how Philip and his partner, Russell, started Shifty Jelly and how they grew their team from a two-person shop to a small staff all while creating one of top apps on Google Play, Pocket Casts. We also talk about some of the tools, tips and tricks that they've used to help them scale, grow and become more effective as indie app developers. We eventually hop into some deep talk about audio software and all kinds of tech in general. If you've always wondered what it takes to be an indie app developer then this is the episode for you - Philip does not let us down.